I was between radio station jobs when I met Hal Heywood in San Bernardino California. We were joking around in a restaurant and having such a good at the sports bar, that he finally got around to asking me what i did. I told him I was in radio, and did voice-overs for commercials. He told me that he too was a former radio guy as well, and he told me he saw a lot of opportunity in the billboard business and was making good money. He asked my if I wanted to do some leasing for him. I didn't know what he was talking about.

I asked him if he was meaning the signs I saw along the freeeway and he said yes. I told him I would give it a go and try to get some leases for him to put the signs on. I didn't quite know what to do except that I had to find the proper zoning. I went to the zoning department and found the zones and came back at the end of the day with four signed leases. I asked Hal if that was good or bad. He said,'You got four leases in one day?, that's incredible." From then on kwe were good to go and I was on my way in the world of outdoor advertising.